We are 5 points worse off this season after playing 27 games. Considering we had a pretty shit season league wise last season. This is pretty disastrous
I used to go regularly to Highbury when we were winning cups but were poor in the League, and most supporters werenât happy with Graham, because he hardly ever spent money, and played boring football.
So there is no contradiction from people who defend Graham, itâs the Wenger supporters who criticise Graham that are contradictory.
The difference is that Graham was sacked a couple of seasons after winning the FA Cup and League Cup double and a season after winning the EUFA Cup.
In just over eight seasons Graham won the League title twice, a European trophy, an FA Cup and two League Cups, yet he was sacked.
In the same time period, Wenger has won three FA Cups, yet is almost unchallenged, until last season.
That is contradictory, and the reason why Wenger supporters should have a bit more respect for Graham, who won the League title, the FA Cup and a European Cup with us as a player, and as a manager.
No, they donât. His time was up and he went (under some dodgy circumstances I think). I donât think Iâve seen a single person on OA in my 6 years say Graham should have carried on.
Wengerâs time is up and he isnât going. Thatâs the only difference.
I think people overreact how shit last season was. With 75 points Arsenal easily met the standard/bar they have set for themselves the past five or so seasons. Liverpool was just slightly better. This season is our second really shit season post-2010 IMO. The first was 15/16 where we squandered the biggest opportunity in clubâ history.
He took a bung, which wasnât uncommon then, for managers and players.
It was about ÂŁ2,000, and he was earning a few hundred pound a week.
It was a convenient way for the board to sack someone who wasnât doing a very good job.
If he had been top of the league, thereâs no way they would have got rid of him.
Thatâs completely wrong. It was 425k from the agent of the Danish and Norwegian players he bought and the agent was more than compensated from the monies Graham had Arsenal pay for the pair. Graham was banned from football for a year.
It wasnât âan excuseâ it was a massive scandal at the time. Having said that Mourinho is pulling the same scam today with Mendes.
He was banned but that was after he was sacked.
Iâm not condoning what he did but there were several other managers and players who were receiving payments that werenât legal.
But it doesnât take away from my original point that Graham was great manager for us and itâs annoying when people say things like âGraham wasnât all that,â when itâs clear he has been a great player and manager for us.
I donât think Wenger has been âall thatâ for a long time, but I would never dismiss his achievements before he became stale, because he was the best manager in the PL, and our most successful.
People should have a bit more respect.
the players are doing it on purpose, there is no fucking way they are not. They know at home they will have nearly 60,000 fans on their fucking backs but a few thousand and they can run down the tunnel no big deal. They are sending a message, they dont wanna play for wenger anymore that much is apparent.
You shouldnât really be expecting it to be worse than that. Weâre meant to be one of the leagueâs best teams, routinely dispatching much of the rest of the league on our travels, albeit in a league getting tougher over the years. 26 points from 26 games is getting on for 1.5 seasonâs worth of away games and is a pathetic record, highlighted there against the rest.
Yeah you look at those kind of stats and it becomes pretty obvious that this team is fundamentally flawed and itâs more than certain players not being good enough.
Meh. There are other factors when it comes with Cup matches which might have worked in our favor. Rather than the players just being more motivated for these games than League matches.