It’s not about who’s better it’s about potential, for a player to do what wilshire did over 2 legs against Barcelona was enough to show he had the potential to be up their with the very best, alli has been very consistent is is a very good player, I’m not sure he has ever put in a performance that would make you think he could be up their with the very best in his position
Also if you were to read on my point was that I wouldn’t have rated wilshire as 2nd best prospect in the world in the same way alli isn’t
Well it wasn’t supposed to. Of course I’m aware that not everyone will have the same opinion – that is the joy of football. All I was trying to do was explain why I think Alli has been placed higher than Rashford on the list. Both talented players but I personally think Alli has the higher ceiling, you disagree. That’s that.
Rating of prospects is kind of funny business anyway, isn’t it? Like I said, a player who has 70+ senior caps and 30 goals, etc. by 21 for a CL quality (hehe) club is pretty damn impressive and one might even say “he isn’t a prospect any more - nailed on starter for a top 4/5 club.”
Wilshere to me had a bit of magic about him and it was incredibly seductive to think how good he could be, following on the footsteps (albeit differently) of our wonderful Cesc - but Alli is very effective player who has a pretty lengthy and impressive resume now. He might not turn out as good as Mbappe, Dembele, Assensio, etc. (and I would tend to agree with you there), but he is absolutely belonging in the conversation on merit. Predicting how much headroom a player has (i.e., additional potential) is really, really hard anyway.
For what it’s worth I’d bet that I’d you looked at these sort of lists over the years the players listed 25 will have gone on to be better than most of the top 10 or whatever, they really don’t mean much
Why? Question the validity of such lists by all means but I don’t think I see any reason to think that the players towards the bottom of these lists consistently prove to be better than those at the top.
Whilst not explicitly stated, I feel the clear implication here is that goalscoring ‘midfielders’ like Alli aren’t rare. Frankly my knowledge is most likely lacking, so I don’t mean this question to seem like a “gotcha!”, but who else of a similar age is posting goal scoring numbers like Alli?
I actually agree to a certain extent. Alli plays more of a support striker rather than a midfielder. But he is more than capable of playing deeper if required.
I just ment to that theirs as much chance that the player listed 25th would go on to be better than the player listed 9th and then the player listed 9th could also go on to be better than the players listed 1-3 or whatever not that as a rule the player listed 25th will do better than the top rated ignore that makes makes sense
How many are getting a similar amount of starts? If alli played for a bigger club than thotenham chances are he wouldn’t be have had as many minutes as he has had over the past few years
Put any of the top ten in that list in spurs first team for the passed few years and chances are they would have similar or better numbers no?
I haven’t seen anything that impressive from him played deeper, closer to goal is what plays to his strengths.
He’s going to have to improve a great deal if he wants to play for a top club because they won’t be playing him as a #10 and as a CM he doesn’t have the all round game at the moment.
I wondered what the fuck happened to Iwobi to merit 57 new posts. I should have guessed it was another off topic debate which meant nothing to the thread title
Unless it viers into repetitiveness or name calling is it not much better for people to be able to discuss whatever they want than for a new thread to be made every time a discussion goes off topic?
I didnt say we should have a new thread after every off topic discussion. As I did say, it’s 50 posts later so maybe that’s a good time to think about it.
This comes across as a rebuttal to an argument I’ve made, but I really was just asking a question rather than coming at it from one standpoint on either side of the argument.
I was genuinely just asking if there are many other young attacking midfielders scoring similar amounts to Alli, because AC seemed to be saying that it isn’t that rare a thing compared to a different archetype.
Edit: Sham has a point, I wasn’t aware that it was quite so many off topic posts now in this thread. Its hard to call but there does come a point where things go a bit too far
It wasn’t a rebuttal more just pointing out that allis numbers in comparison to the others on the list will probably be better due to the amounts of minutes he gets at spurs and not due to him being a better player